{"id":1495,"date":"2019-04-11T15:52:02","date_gmt":"2019-04-11T15:52:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/?p=1495"},"modified":"2021-02-09T05:10:49","modified_gmt":"2021-02-09T05:10:49","slug":"cartographie-des-donnees-du-site-le-vrai-debat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/?p=1495","title":{"rendered":"Cartographie des donn\u00e9es du site Le Vrai D\u00e9bat"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id='full_slider_1'  class='avia-fullwidth-slider main_color avia-shadow   avia-builder-el-0  el_before_av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-first   container_wrap fullsize'  ><div  class='avia-slideshow av-jucth3di-a1e95a215d625ca4fa9a808bba4e67ae avia-slideshow-featured av_slideshow_full avia-slide-slider av-slideshow-ui av-control-default av-slideshow-manual av-loop-once av-loop-manual-endless av-default-height-applied   avia-slideshow-1' data-slideshow-options=\"{&quot;animation&quot;:&quot;slide&quot;,&quot;autoplay&quot;:false,&quot;loop_autoplay&quot;:&quot;once&quot;,&quot;interval&quot;:5,&quot;loop_manual&quot;:&quot;manual-endless&quot;,&quot;autoplay_stopper&quot;:false,&quot;noNavigation&quot;:false,&quot;bg_slider&quot;:false,&quot;keep_padding&quot;:false,&quot;hoverpause&quot;:false,&quot;show_slide_delay&quot;:0}\"  itemprop=\"image\" itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" ><ul class='avia-slideshow-inner ' style='padding-bottom: 28.666666666667%;'><li  class='avia-slideshow-slide av-jucth3di-a1e95a215d625ca4fa9a808bba4e67ae__0  av-single-slide slide-1 slide-odd'><div data-rel='slideshow-1' class='avia-slide-wrap '   ><div class='av-slideshow-caption av-jucth3di-a1e95a215d625ca4fa9a808bba4e67ae__0 caption_fullwidth caption_bottom caption_bottom_framed caption_framed'><div class=\"container caption_container\"><div class=\"slideshow_caption\"><div class=\"slideshow_inner_caption\"><div class=\"slideshow_align_caption\"><h2 class='avia-caption-title '  itemprop=\"name\" >#VraiDebat<\/h2><div class='avia-caption-content '  itemprop=\"description\" ><p>1000 propositions du site &#8220;Le Vrai D\u00e9bat&#8221; \u00e0 port\u00e9e de clic.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><img decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" class=\"wp-image-1496 avia-img-lazy-loading-not-1496\"  src=\"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2019\/04\/VraiDebatBanner-1500x430.png\" width=\"1500\" height=\"430\" title='VraiDebatBanner' alt=''  itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\"   \/><\/div><\/li><\/ul><\/div><\/div><div id='after_full_slider_1'  class='main_color av_default_container_wrap container_wrap fullsize'  ><div class='container av-section-cont-open' ><div class='template-page content  av-content-full alpha units'><div class='post-entry post-entry-type-page post-entry-1495'><div class='entry-content-wrapper clearfix'>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-4r3d9j-826da46c04101c5417528a747e5775c7\">\n.flex_column.av-4r3d9j-826da46c04101c5417528a747e5775c7{\nborder-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;\npadding:0px 0px 0px 0px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-4r3d9j-826da46c04101c5417528a747e5775c7 av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-1  el_after_av_slideshow_full  el_before_av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div av-zero-column-padding  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-jucti8ym-325f4edb46a2eebdc31aec46d54b7a1c '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><blockquote>\n<p>Ces derniers mois, en parall\u00e8le de l\u2019initiative gouvernementale, plusieurs plateformes ont fleuri pour contribuer au d\u00e9bat national en ligne. Parmi celles-ci, la plateforme <a href=\"https:\/\/le-vrai-debat.fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Le Vrai D\u00e9bat<\/a> a la particularit\u00e9 d\u2019avoir propos\u00e9 aux contributeurs de r\u00e9agir aux propositions et de les \u00e9valuer (\u00e0 partir de votes \u2018pour\u2019, \u2018contre\u2019 et \u2018mitig\u00e9\u2019). Ce filtrage collaboratif des propositions a permis au <em>groupe de travail gilets jaunes<\/em> du <a href=\"http:\/\/triangle.ens-lyon.fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Laboratoire Triangle<\/a> de proposer une s\u00e9lection d\u2019environ mille propositions les plus pl\u00e9biscit\u00e9es. Nous en proposons ici une <a href=\"http:\/\/levraidebat.politoscope.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cartographie anonymis\u00e9e<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Les 1048 propositions ont \u00e9t\u00e9 annot\u00e9es et analys\u00e9es \u00e0 l\u2019aide de la plateforme <a href=\"http:\/\/gargantext.org\">Gargantext<\/a> et d\u2019une extraction terminologique effectu\u00e9e par la plateforme <a href=\"http:\/\/multivac.iscpif.fr\" target=\"blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Multivac<\/a> sur l\u2019ensemble des propositions du Grand D\u00e9bat National. Cette cartographie\u00a0 propose une navigation ind\u00e9pendamment des classifications <i>a priori<\/i> des sites de soumission (<a href=\"https:\/\/politoscope.org\/2019\/03\/gdn-preliminaires\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">voir la m\u00e9thodologie<\/a>). Cette exploration compl\u00e9mente la <a href=\"https:\/\/politoscope.org\/2019\/03\/gdn-preliminaires\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">cartographie en cours de l\u2019ensemble des propositions des sites Le Grand D\u00e9bat National et Le Vrai D\u00e9bat<\/a>,<\/p>\n<h4>M\u00e9thodologie de s\u00e9lection de l\u2019\u00e9chantillon<\/h4>\n<p>Le site <a href=\"https:\/\/le-vrai-debat.fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Le Vrai D\u00e9bat<\/a> a recueilli 25.000 propositions \u00e9manant de 15.457 contributeurs ainsi que 898.000\u00a0 votes post\u00e9s par les 44 500 inscrits, . Cette m\u00e9thodologie d\u2019\u00e9chantillonnage est propos\u00e9e par le <em>groupe de travail gilets jaunes<\/em> du <a href=\"http:\/\/triangle.ens-lyon.fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Laboratoire Triangle<\/a> (CNRS\/ENS Lyon)<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Les propositions ayant re\u00e7u moins de 50 votes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9cart\u00e9es de l\u2019\u00e9chantillon pour des raisons de repr\u00e9sentativit\u00e9,<\/li>\n<li>Pour chaque proposition restante a \u00e9t\u00e9 calcul\u00e9 un score d\u00e9fini par le nombre de votes positifs moins le nombre de votes n\u00e9gatifs et mitig\u00e9s.<\/li>\n<li>Les 1059 propositions ayant eu le plus haut score ont concentr\u00e9 43% de l\u2019ensemble des votes (et 80% des votes sur les propositions ayant re\u00e7u au moins 85% de votes favorables),<\/li>\n<li>en retirant les doublons, nous obtenons 1048 propositions \u2018les plus populaires\u2019 (les plus vot\u00e9es, les plus appr\u00e9ci\u00e9es et les moins pol\u00e9miques).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h4><strong>Limites de la m\u00e9thode et de l\u2019interpr\u00e9tation<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p>Aucune des plateformes de d\u00e9bat ne v\u00e9rifie l\u2019identit\u00e9 de ses contributeurs, introduisant en cela plusieurs probl\u00e8mes m\u00e9thodologiques :<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>il est impossible de savoir quelles sont les caract\u00e9ristiques des populations qui ont r\u00e9pondu : il y a tr\u00e8s peu de donn\u00e9es personnelles (\u00e2ge, sex, etc.) et elles sont donn\u00e9es sur une base volontaires : elles ne sont pas n\u00e9cessairement pr\u00e9sentes ou exactes,<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>il est tout \u00e0 fait possible de cr\u00e9er plusieurs comptes pour gonfler artificiellement la repr\u00e9sentation de ses opinions. Ceci ouvre la voie \u00e0 des manipulation des plateformes via une <a href=\"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/?p=134\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">pratique d\u2019astroturfing<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Ceci \u00e9tant, <strong>il est impossible de dire si les contributions aux diff\u00e9rentes plateformes de d\u00e9bat sont repr\u00e9sentatives de la population fran\u00e7aise. <\/strong>Elles peuvent n\u00e9anmoins \u00eatre source d\u2019inspiration pour les politiciens, les administrations et les citoyens dans leur ensemble et cette cartographie vise avant tout \u00e0 faciliter l\u2019exploration et la lecture des propositions.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/div>\n\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-2t1aif-e04de07debff945e42ca99dbce487fed\">\n.flex_column.av-2t1aif-e04de07debff945e42ca99dbce487fed{\nborder-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;\npadding:0px 0px 0px 0px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-2t1aif-e04de07debff945e42ca99dbce487fed av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-3  el_after_av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-last  flex_column_div av-zero-column-padding  '     ><p><div  class='avia-button-wrap av-juctkfey-57292d2abc0684953ad6fb6f34bc26be-wrap avia-button-center  avia-builder-el-4  el_before_av_textblock  avia-builder-el-first '><a href='http:\/\/levraidebat.politoscope.org\/'  class='avia-button av-juctkfey-57292d2abc0684953ad6fb6f34bc26be av-link-btn avia-icon_select-yes-left-icon avia-size-large avia-position-center avia-color-theme-color'  target=\"_blank\"  rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"  aria-label=\"Cliquez ici pour explorer l\u2019\u00e9chantillon de propositions\"><span class='avia_button_icon avia_button_icon_left avia-iconfont avia-font-entypo-fontello' data-av_icon='\ue826' data-av_iconfont='entypo-fontello' ><\/span><span class='avia_iconbox_title' >Cliquez ici pour explorer l\u2019\u00e9chantillon de propositions<\/span><\/a><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-juctlwx7-efd57092f537b258825b91008f063765 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p><a href=\"http:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-453\" src=\"http:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"167\" height=\"125\" srcset=\"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone.png 1067w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone-1030x772.png 1030w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone-705x529.png 705w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2016\/04\/logoGarg3Alone-450x337.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 167px) 100vw, 167px\" \/>\u00a0<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1371\" src=\"http:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"182\" height=\"121\" srcset=\"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web.png 1204w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web-768x513.png 768w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web-1030x688.png 1030w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web-705x471.png 705w, https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/4\/2017\/04\/multivac-logo-web-450x300.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 182px) 100vw, 182px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Les 1048 propositions utilis\u00e9es pour cette \u00e9tude sont disponibles en ligne sur <a href=\"https:\/\/www.le-vrai-debat.fr\/syntheses\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">le site Le Vrai D\u00e9bat<\/a>. La liste de termes utilis\u00e9s pour cette cartographie sera \u00e9galement fournie ce qui permettra \u00e0 tout un chacun de r\u00e9pliquer cette carte et de l\u2019amender en utilisant la plateforme <a href=\"http:\/\/gargantext.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gargantext<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":1496,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[31,33],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1495","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-blog","category-politoscope"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1495","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1495"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1495\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2000,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1495\/revisions\/2000"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/1496"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1495"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1495"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/iscpif.fr\/chavalarias\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1495"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}